Confirming what I already knew: Prop 8 passed by uneducated religious fools December 4, 2008
Posted by downwithabsolutes in Crazy.trackback
To those concerned I’m not engaging in “substantive” debate: Notice I didn’t use the words “dumb” or “stupid” in the post headline to replace “uneducated.” Those subjective judgments are nearly impossible to measure. Education, on the other hand, is objective and easily measurable. And, in the case of those who voted “Yes” on Prop 8, 69% of them didn’t attend college and those who identified themselves as practicing Christians voted 85% in favor of Prop 8. Now, I know that makes me a “liberal elitist” for daring to call into question the legitimacy of the uneducated fools who voted “Yes” on this. However, it makes me wonder: What if they WERE educated? Meaning, what if they went to college where, no doubt, they would have likely experienced something additional outside of their “Jesus-is-my-homeboy” worldview?*
Take what you will from this. I have. And I’ve decided that uneducated, religious folks are an impediment to equal rights in this country.
*I should qualify this statement by adding that there ARE plenty of people without a college education who do have a sensible worldview outside of their religious proclivities. It just seems, as the poll suggests, that a clear majority of people who DID vote for Prop 8 were without a college education and seemed to rely on some guiding faith as a means to vote Yes on this amendment.
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downwithabsolutes
Dominique
Mike Matthews
Darling-Most of the people who vote don’t have a college education. Get over it, and get your message out better next time. It seemed to have worked for the 51% mixed bag voters this past time.
Very good point, Joanne. And I have conceded the point that the anti-Prop 8ers should have run a better campaign. Like I said on air, it’s only a matter of time. The civil rights movement was the same way.
Oh shoot Mike-I just saw now you wrote this post! I thought it was written by “Crazy”. I didn’t even see your name there earlier. Sorry–and I was wondering where crazy came from.
BTW-51% is hardly a victory for a colossal shift in public policy, mindset, attitude, and contractual revision. I would caution the strategy from here. No one wants to see blacklisting, vindictativeness, smear campaigns, and outright violence in opposition. It only gives a reason, NOT TO PERMIT any more rights. Like no pit bulls in Wilmington. They need to demonstrate I’m your doctor, teacher, plumber, artist, bus driver, neighbor–and not juvenile delinquent, arsonist, pedophile, pugilist and extortionist! Reign yourselves in gang! You’re better than that.
MIke: Correct me if I’m wrong but in CA do not homosexuals have full civil union rights that equal that of traditional marriage — that is, partner benefits, inhertitance rights, etc.? And if that’s the case, how exactly are homosexuals’ civil rights being denied?
Also, to add to what Joanne said, ever see those vids of Obama voters and what they, um, “knew?” (Or, more accurately, did NOT know?)
Hube,
I have seen those videos and I’m of the belief that if you concentrated efforts in certain pro-McCain/Palin areas, you’d find the same type of results on the other side. There are morons on both sides of the aisle. I’m waiting for the uber-lib Michael Moore wannabes to release their videos. I’m sure they’re out there. Then we can do a real side by side.
As for this post, this was my Jason Scott moment of the month. Throwing discretion to the wind and shouting “fuck it!” and hitting the “publish” button.
As for this post, this was my Jason Scott moment of the month. Throwing discretion to the wind and shouting “fuck it!” and hitting the “publish” button.
Does that mean you won’t answer my first question?
Oh great, so now I have to deal with the daughters, AND YOUR monthly “Jason”? Doesn’t chocolate help?
Hube,
Marriage is a word. It’s a word that means quite a bit to many people. Here’s what needs to happen. The government needs to get out of the marriage business. If we want to make marriage simply a religious “thing,” then that’s fine with me. But, that’s not what we currently have. Therefore, gays and lesbians still are not being afforded some measure of equality. Civil unions are not marriage as defined by the state. The state is there to represent all people. So, until marriage is no longer a state function, all who wish to be classified as “married” should be treated equally under state law.
“the anti-Prop 8ers should have run a better campaign.”
That may be the understatement of the week.
Mike: Wrong. As long as homosexuals are afforded all the [state] benefits of civil partnerships that are equal to that of trad. marriage, then we’re just arguing about a word. “Marriage” by definition is between a man and a woman. Like, since you have a penis and balls, you’re defined as a “man.”
As I said previously, as long as 14th amendment is applied equally to everyone, claiming a battle over a term is a “civil rights” matter is ludicrous.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/c0cf508ff8/prop-8-the-musical-starring-jack-black-john-c-reilly-and-many-more-from-fod-team-jack-black-craig-robinson-john-c-reilly-and-rashida-jones
“And, in the case of those who voted “Yes” on Prop 8, 69% of them didn’t attend college”
What percentage of “No” voters did not attend college? I seriously want to know.
“And I’ve decided that uneducated, religious folks are an impediment to equal rights in this country.”
weak
“Like I said on air, it’s only a matter of time. The civil rights movement was the same way.”
No, its really really really not. Every state that has ever voted on this votes in favor of marriage and public opinion has been shifting against homosexual marriage. Even your homeboy obama is moving in line with mainstream opinion……
“Marriage is a word. It’s a word that means quite a bit to many people.”
Its a word that means a awful lot to polygamists and you have no problem writing them out of it.
“Here’s what needs to happen. The government needs to get out of the marriage business.”
Booooooooo. Marriage as an institution is essential to the continuity of a modern society and is protected by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Tom,
We’ve hashed this crap out before, so blah…blah…blah.
As for the polygamists comment, I’m guessing you haven’t read me all that long because I have no problem with polygamists. They can get married, too, in my little utopia. Next you’ll say “What about bestiality?” Those arguments are so predictable.
And, Hube, again, I think the onus is on those interested in “protecting” the definition of marriage as between a man and woman to explain so in rational, reasoned terms. Citing religious dogma is not enough. Citing history is not enough, especially when there’s a 50%+ divorce rate, then I’d say the definition of marriage is already being perverted — even before the “perverse” and “scary” gays have been included! Hell, let the gays get married. There aren’t too many of them, so perhaps they’ll bring the rate just under 50% for a while when they get married en masse!
It is impossible for the government to get out of the “marriage” business. State governments control marriage and divorce laws.
Aside from tax implications marriage status runs very deep in America, you can’t change it without changing a lot of things.
I just love the way marriage is being protected by the likes of RUSH (THE JUNKIE) and NEWT THE GRINCH both of whom have had a lot of experience with it.
And, Hube, again, I think the onus is on those interested in “protecting” the definition of marriage as between a man and woman to explain so in rational, reasoned terms.
You’re right. And I think the onus is on those interested in “protecting” the definition of male and female as a “biological fact” to explain so in rational, reasoned terms.
Wasn’t there a time that Voting rights could not be determined by a TAX or some educational level, or a test?
I guess it is only wrong when YOU do not get your way.
WTF?
TT, Et ALL,
So if I [ Or someone else ] did something wrong, I can not talk about it…?
Let the first without sin, cast the first stone….
“Education, on the other hand, is objective and easily measurable.” Bull Shit
Tell that to the self educated, who bypass college.
Who succeed in spite of a ‘Formal degree’.
College is also associated with “indoctrination”.
Those who failed to vote the way you believe ‘educated people should vote – are not college indoctrinated.’
Maybe they excelled in the – School of Hard Knocks, with a Graduate degree in Common Sense”.
PF
Paul F you can talk about it all you want but it appears that you do not seem to know the difference between your conversation and Rush(The Junkie) and Newt. They don’t just talk they commend and that makes them Hypocrite’s
condemn
Did I miss something or isn’t President Elect Obama against gay marriage?
You want gay marriage? I’ve got 3 words for you:
PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY.
Pretty odd world we live in when the most open minded executive in the country when it comes to gay marriage is Cheney.
If I remember correctly, Maria, Cheney has never been all that explicit about whether he’s for or against. Maybe now that’s he’s not in the Bush Administration we’ll get a straight answer, so to speak. (Pun intended)
Good old Dick has a daughter you has a lick in every night spokewoman for coors beer
Yes, “WTF?” I’ve yet to see anyone logically and sensibly explain why it must be ‘marriage’ and not legal civil partnership. As far as I can see the fight seems only for that magic word, marriage, since CP would afford exactly the rights and legalities any one of us need to protect what we share with, and who we are ‘to’, a significant other…same-sex or not. The marriage certificate? Can’t be that for for too many who enjoy that holy state consider it less than a hill of beans and for same-sex marriage to ‘adjust’ the appalling divorce rate (even though said TIC)..unlikely. In States where marriage has been granted, “together-4-ever” same-sex couples have divorced…some within three months of their victoriously claimed nuptials. Equality, IMO, would be much easier and sooner achieved with a CP. And when it comes right down to it, I’d wager that close to 100% of those married under any circumstance or persuasion have seen their marriage certificate once…maybe twice if they applied for a passport…and that was the auspicious day they signed it. From then on, the commitment is of heart and conscience…not a piece of paper.
A young lady returned from her honeymoon and was asked by a friend how was it? She replied that it was a pain in the ass so to speak. The friend replied YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
What was the racial breakdown of the vote? That hasn’t been discussed much.